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Jæja þá er það opinbert, 30-06 ER nákvæmara en 308 :)

Ólesinn póstur af konnari » 24 Feb 2014 10:57

Jæja....nú er það opinbert að 30-06 og 308 eru nánast “jafn” nákvæm á 500-600 jördum en 30-06 er nákvæmara á 1000 jördum í eins smíðuðum “Match” rifflum. Testið var gert á tveggja ára tímabili en ég ætla að leyfa ykkur að lesa greinina frá accurateshooter.com :)

Match Results for .308 Win vs. .30-06 — Surprising Findings

The .308 Winchester, a shortened version of the .30-06, has almost completely replaced the .30-06 in NRA competition. The .308 is required for Palma shooting, so it is also used by many Palma competitors in other long-range and mid-range prone matches. However, with the exception of M1 Garand matches, you won’t see many .30-06 rifles on the firing lines. Does that mean the .30-06 is obsolete? Is the .308 Win really much more accurate? Or does it just offer the advantages of reduced recoil and reduced powder consumption?


In his Sibling Rivalry: .308 vs. .30-06 article on the Rifleman’s Journal website, German Salazar argues that the .30-06 remains a viable competition cartridge, particularly for the long-range game. This isn’t just a subjective opinion. German has data to back up the argument that the .30-06 can still do the job.

German compares the actual scores produced by his .308 Win rifles with the scores from his .30-06 rifles. German analyzes scores, over a two-year period, shot by “matched pair” rifles (one in each caliber) with similar actions, stocks, sights, and barrels. For comparison purposes, German also includes score data from his 6XC, a modern low-recoil chambering.


RESULTS: .308 Has Small Edge at Middle Distance, But .30-06 Is Better at Long Range
 Surprisingly, the .30-06 performed nearly as well as the .308 at middle distances. The .30-06 delivered 99.2% of max possible scores vs. 99.5% for the .308 Win. Notably, at 1000 yards, the .30-06 racked up 97.7% of max scores vs. 97.3% for the .308 Win. So, at 1000 yards, the .30-06 actually proved superior to the .308 Win. German explains: “This isn’t too surprising when one considers [the .308's] limited case capacity for the bullet weights typically used in Long-Range shooting. They just run out of steam and dip perilously close to the transonic range as they approach 1000 yards of flight. The extra 150 fps or so that can be safely obtained from the .30-06 case really pays off at 1000 yards.”

Mid-Range Comparison
In NRA Mid-Range matches (500 and 600 yards), the average score and percentage of possible score for each cartridge was as follows:

.308 – 597-36X (99.5%), 960 rounds fired


6XC – 596-35X (99.3%),1260 rounds fired


.30-06 – 595-31X (99.2%), 2580 rounds fired

If we look at the score averages, the .308 comes out on top at the Mid-Range distances… by 0.3% of the possible score. By the way, notice that the 6XC, as good as it is, simply straddles the .30 caliber cartridges; it is not the winner.

Long-Range Comparison
German rarely shoots the .308 in matches that are only 1000 yards; most of his 1000-yard .308 shooting is done in Palma matches which include 800, 900 and 1000 yards. To make the comparison useful, the Long-Range results are presented only as a percentage of the possible score and the 800- and 900-yard stages of Palma matches were NOT included.

In NRA Long-Range and Palma matches, the average percentage of possible score for each cartridge at 1000 yards was as follows:

6XC – 98.9%, 360 rounds fired


.30-06 – 97.7%, 460 rounds fired


.308 – 97.3%, 490 rounds fired

Editor’s Note: Among the three cartridges German studied, the 6XC actually proved best at 1000 yards, delivering 98.9% of the maximum possible scores. The .30-06 was second-best with 97.7%, slightly better than the .308 Win at 97.3%.

You’ll want to read German’s full Sibling Rivalry article, which includes an interesting history of the .30-06 and .308 in High Power shooting, along with tables showing German’s actual scores with his .30-06, .308 Win, and 6XC rifles. German’s story first ran in 2011.

Hér er svo linkurinn:
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/6xc/

P.s. Ég sendi þessa grein sérstaklega fyrir hann Einar Har :) og n.b. þetta er nú meira til gamans heldur en hitt :D
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Re: Jæja þá er það opinbert, 30-06 ER nákvæmara en 308 :)

Ólesinn póstur af Jenni Jóns » 24 Feb 2014 14:51

Já þetta eru magnaðar niðurstöður :D :D
sérstaklega að menn séu að skjóta á 900 metra + með 308 (engar smá stáltær það) :lol: :lol: og að 30 06 er að skjóta sömu kúlum á umþað bil 6% meiri hraða með 10 gr meira af púðri miða við 190 gr kúlu.
Svo má líklega álykta með sömu aðferðafræði að 30-06 sé miklu nákvæmara en 308 ef skotið væri á 1050 yards en þá er kúluna úr 308 komin niður í Transonic speed en kúlan úr 30-06 er enn aðeins yfir þessum 1340 fps sem menn reyna að halda sig yfir miða við að kúlan úr 30-06 hefur 150 fps meiri upphafshraða.
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Re: Jæja þá er það opinbert, 30-06 ER nákvæmara en 308 :)

Ólesinn póstur af konnari » 25 Feb 2014 20:16

Ekkert komment frá Einari Har :o :D ;)
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Re: Jæja þá er það opinbert, 30-06 ER nákvæmara en 308 :)

Ólesinn póstur af Ingvi » 25 Feb 2014 22:14

Af hverju á Einar að svara þessu er hann ekki að skjóta 6,5-284 og 300 winmag?
Upprunalega var 3006 gert fyrir 1000 yarda svo ekki skrítið að hann komi vel út.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06
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Ólesinn póstur af konnari » 25 Feb 2014 22:46

Bara smá djók og stríðni í mér :lol:
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Re: Jæja þá er það opinbert, 30-06 ER nákvæmara en 308 :)

Ólesinn póstur af gylfisig » 25 Feb 2014 22:53

Þetta er alveg gríðarlegur munur þarna á ferðinni. Alveg upp í 0,3 % munur.
Algjörlega afgerandi ! :D
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